On Magick and Effort

[Dankquanicus]

I agree, @Verdo made a brilliant point with how people treat baneful magick.

[SagaMysterium]

I’m super late back to the party, but my life is absolute chaos. Gotta get my fun in where I can!

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@Dankquanicus

Now, with exes, I’ve noticed in everyone’s natal chart who comes to magick to get an ex back or for love that I’ve observed were born with Venus severely afflicted.

I’ve never noticed that (not to mention I know 0 about natal charts, too, lol). What an interesting observation!

@Dankquanicus

It’s similar for other areas of life. If someone is very fearful, Saturn was likely afflicted at birth. If they seriously struggle with wealth, Saturn and Jupiter were likely afflicted, and so on.

That is extremely helpful, Astrology appears extremely complicated to me, so I’ve steered from it. Sounds like big brain stuff, I have–most times–small brain. lol

@Dankquanicus

(I don’t think that’s the right word, but perhaps my vocabulary is not large enough for this)

A constant mood for me.

@Dankquanicus

A certain very wise Medieval Sage has suggested that a working comes to completion quicker and more powerfully if the Planet of that same nature was well dignified in their nativity.

Oh man! That’s super interesting!!

Ooh, @Dankquanicus, you’ve given me a lot to think about and research!

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@Verdo

I called The Baneful Principle

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@Verdo

It’s interesting to me that what most magicians would consider to be the hardest thing to do in Magick…to kill another person…requires the least amount of mundane “assistance” by the caster.

I sometimes wonder if it’s a matter of accountability. If you DO tell someone to put the poison in (or, tell someone how to make a pact with a demon and they have a mental disorder that leads them to kill multiple people during psychosis) you’re kinda implicated. (Though I guess that’s your point with the orange juice, so all this to say I agree with you).

In personal experience (UPG), it reminds me of the curse jars that I did for two individuals that (in both cases) caused a death in the family inadvertently right after the making of them. That was a “create the jar and sprinkle some intention in there.”

You’ve definitely caused me to think more critically about this. You’re absolutely right. Putting the “Baneful Principle” in my personal journal (maybe close to the front page–that’s some real next-level thinking right there).

@Verdo

If killing wasn’t illegal, my guess is that baneful Magick too would be riddled with people putting a cap on expectations. If it were legal, it likely would be quite common to hear occultists say things such as, “if you want to kill x, you need to do your part by putting iodine poison in their orange juice, then let the magick do the work of influencing her to take a sip.”

Could you imagine what that would be like in court? I feel like that could be a great TV show there. Mundane lawyers with no magical experience navigating these situations.

@Verdo

Set it, then forget it. No need to help it, as it does not need our help.

I LOVE this! Adding that to my favorite quotes.

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Thanks to both for letting my jump in here and giving me a lot to think about. This is absolutely AMAZING!

[Veil]

@Dankquanicus

However, regarding effort, my experiences have often times been contrary to that insistance. I have done much magick without putting any effort into what I asked for and still recieved it.

This is a very well-timed post; I have been thinking about this a lot recently as well. My experiences echo yours very closely. I prefer to be passive and receptive rather than active, and this tends to work out much better for me. Rituals are “set and forget”, and my main work with the Law of Consciousness kind of requires or demands passivity instead of “messing with the middle”, i.e., trying to do anything in the mundane world to affect or speed up results.

@ReyCuervo

Last night I was talking with someone I do magick for. She was quite happy because of her new job and told me that I made everything happen. And I truly didn’t. She did her part. She went to college for years, studied, paid the classes, send the resume to the new company, etc.

The “sphere of influence” we have is a big part of it, but I also can’t deny that I’ve had things essentially handed to me on a silver platter with no active or forceful influence involved, just the simple recognition that something (a “miracle”) can happen, and from there it is not a far stretch for me to believe it will happen, or has already happened, so I give thanks for it. Again, this is me putting the Law to work.

For instance, I am currently living rent-free in an expensive city, with a new job that lets me work from home every day, with a ~$20k/year pay raise from my last job, a complete lack of micromanagement, a fuckload of free time, and a lot of income sources (bulk money being given to me out of nowhere at no particular request). The most mundane work I had to do was literally apply for one job – ONE – and 7 days later I was signing the paperwork. It was my dream job and someone else found it for me and sent me the application link.

I agree that for things like physical changes or habits, some mundane work might be needed. Although then again, why not use magick to change your own habits and motivation? I’ve always felt a bit alone in my sense that things come to me without mundane effort, or with minimal mundane effort, when most grimoires tell you that you need to put in some kind of mundane effort to get what you want. I never found that to be the case, in fact, I found “messing with the middle” often fucked up my results. So this this thread gives me life.

[Jk999]

I agree. Magic can and should be used to grease the wheels of life.